Summer Showcase Winners, Xbox's $400M Question & the Remakes That Broke the Internet

Greg (00:01.668)
Summer showcase season just wrapped, and if you blinked, you missed over 800 game announcements, a $400 million budget bomb from inside Xbox, and enough Steam wishlists to crash a server. We got the games that actually won Summer Game Fest, according to the data, and a Gears of War story that raises a question Microsoft probably doesn't want asked out loud. Can a 400 million Xbox exclusive actually make its money back?

Let's get into it. So Yuli, I know that something came up and it was bothering you.

Uly (00:36.32)
yeah.

Uly (00:40.468)
Okay, it was bugging the hell out of me because I do my once-a-week Twitter dive because fuck that app. Successful. And f the last week it was just everybody talking crap about God of War Lofi and comparing it to Stiller Blade, and then people are coming out saying God of War, you know, got more searches and results, and here are the top ten games that actually got the most search results.

Greg (00:51.747)
Ooh.

Uly (01:09.268)
since the announcements and Stellar Blade is nowhere near it. I'm going, well makes sense, Stellar Blade is a very niche game. God of War had decades of fan building and and games w to to amount that yeah, it's gonna be the most searched game since the announcement. There's I guess there's a disconnect where people are comparing like the new niche games to the r like

Ty (01:16.871)
It is.

Uly (01:38.86)
Count the remakes that are coming out. Like again again, the top three games that were searched are all remakes and a sequel. Because God of War Lafi is a sequel continuation prequel, yeah. But Ocarina of Time and Coveronica X. Then we got Insomniac's Wolverine. thank you, Greg, for pulling that up. I was looking at it on phone. Makes sense. That game has been hyped for years.

Ty (01:47.923)
Mm.

Ty (01:51.636)
That's pretty cool. Yeah.

Greg (02:04.419)
Yeah yeah.

Greg (02:08.824)
Yes.

Ty (02:08.946)
the... yeah.

Uly (02:10.989)
All right, God of War, I mean not God of War. Gears of War E Day, another hype game. Four years. Makes sense. It's number five. It's there. It has fan bases. I'm of the Latino culture. That is our game. That is that is that is our thing. It's the reason most of us got an Xbox. It wasn't Halo. It was Gears of War. That the first trailer for Gears of War is the reason I wanted an Xbox.

Ty (02:27.092)
He's not wrong!

Greg (02:28.918)
Yeah.

Greg (02:35.609)
That is very true.

Greg (02:40.877)
That is a hundred percent true for as well, yeah.

Uly (02:43.403)
Yeah. And then you got Kingdom Hearts, of course. Kingdom Hearts will always get love. People have been waiting, thieving, hungry for anything, even though the trail they're hungry. And I was laughing like this is just the previous trailer they showed us, just HD remastered for their new game engine. Ty, I know Ty has been hankering for this one, Persona Six. If you watched our last episode

Ty (02:53.396)
wait it's just 2019 yeah

Greg (03:05.262)
Mm-hmm.

Ty (03:12.627)
Yeah.

Uly (03:12.858)
I was was on it.

Greg (03:15.572)
He was a happy boy.

Ty (03:15.58)
I'm a happy... Listen! I am an RPG fan and it's really weird because like most people that know me for years that doesn't sound right. They're like, look at you hype over a fighting game. I'm still hype about my fighters. However, you gave me a good old nice long JRPG and I'm content. Content as shit.

Greg (03:45.23)
Yeah.

Uly (03:45.483)
The next seven years, ten years, so until they announce Persona 7 after remaking Persona 6 three more times.

Greg (03:53.057)
Yeah, you know that's what's gonna have to happen. It's exactly what's gonna happen.

Uly (03:55.918)
Ty (03:57.214)
god. You're not wrong, I just hate that you're right.

Uly (04:02.829)
It's gonna ha it's gonna be fun though. And then we got Spyro. Okay. Spyro is one of those games where it has its phantom and it's a large phantom. A lot of people love Spyro. So what was it? Playstation one that it came out on?

Ty (04:20.422)
Yeah, it came out in the first PlayStation.

Greg (04:20.887)
Yeah. Yeah, Spiral is originally a PlayStation thing.

Uly (04:23.031)
First PlayStation. Spyro is a legacy game basically. And them coming out with the new one, of course it's gonna hit number nine on the most searched charts. Last but not least, until until Dawn Two actually threw me up for a loop there, being number ten.

Greg (04:37.465)
I'm not gonna lie, that threw me for a loop as well, but I do yeah, like Ty, I get it because the first one actually was a hit. A lot of people loved the game. The thing that screwed up until dawn was the movie.

Ty (04:39.538)
I don't get it.

Ty (04:53.588)
Movie?

Uly (04:55.239)
Okay. We don't talk about that.

Ty (04:56.168)
The movie that the only connection they had with the games was the Deathloop and Peter Saffron.

Greg (05:04.353)
Yeah. Yeah. And yeah. But yeah, because because yeah, Until Dawn the Game is actually a lot of people's favorite horror game. And I've wa I watched I didn't play it myself, but I watched content creators that played it. And it was what?

Uly (05:04.608)
And the name.

Ty (05:07.3)
I won't even give it the name.

Ty (05:20.212)
fuck did you just say?

Uly (05:22.433)
He n he never played it. I d I'm surprised about that too.

Ty (05:24.03)
Yeah, hold on, wait, what?

Greg (05:25.143)
No, I never played it. Because at the time, horror games that followed that kind of formula didn't really do it well. So until like, yeah, I I wasn't too much of a fan of that formula. Because because they were like

Ty (05:37.924)
What? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,

Uly (05:41.375)
It's like coming out as gay right now, man.

Uly (05:46.793)
Okay, hold up, hold up, hold up. We were having a conversation about this about the first game. We had a cover it seemed like you played it.

Greg (05:55.961)
No, I just watched enough people to know exactly how the game is played. That's when I was like, it actually isn't it isn't bad because everyone I watched, it was never the same gameplay twice. Because everyone kept making different choices at different intervals.

Ty (06:08.532)
Wait wait wait wait a goddamn minute wait wait wait wait

Uly (06:08.607)
I think I think that's

Greg (06:14.714)
Wait, hold on. Did you guys think I played on the first one?

Ty (06:17.746)
Yes! You may... Okay. You and I have been in multiple group chats. And we have multiple mutual friends. And said mutual friends, and said multiple groups, there's always somebody that has a love for horror games, right? Until Dawn has been brought up multiple times. Until Dawn has been brought up...

Uly (06:18.101)
You made it sound like you played it.

Greg (06:37.775)
Yes.

Ty (06:43.073)
and Detroit Becoming Human has been brought up on the same fucking pedestal and muscle-grip chest that you and I have in common.

Greg (06:47.066)
Mm-hmm.

Ty (06:52.38)
you have gave detailed information about both of those games.

Greg (06:57.134)
Yes. I know how to do research when I'm very invested into the topic.

Uly (07:03.213)
Then why not just play the goddamn game?

Ty (07:05.523)
That part.

Greg (07:06.456)
I don't know. Every time I think about it.

Ty (07:08.766)
Did you ever play Detroit? Or was it just you watched videos?

Greg (07:12.938)
my buddy played Detroit.

Uly (07:15.332)
Then get the f

Ty (07:15.666)
I almost said a word that I cannot say on this podcast. You know what?

Uly (07:24.065)
Did you play Heavy Rain?

Ty (07:28.05)
No, he watched me play Heavy Rain. That's the funny thing.

Greg (07:29.228)
I watched it. This is why I'm surprised that he's surprised by it. Because I've when it comes to those games, I've always watched other people play them. Ty so pissed with me right now.

Uly (07:29.621)
Yeah.

Ty (07:37.468)
Look at your phone. Two seconds.

Ty (07:43.54)
A smidge. A smidge. Because here's-

Here's why, right? When I played Heavy Rain, he sat there and was more invested in Heavy Rain than I was. Mind you, I was the one playing and he was like, oh, hey, yo, look, that's a clue right there. Origami Killer. Right? Actually, I can just say, I think he's the Origami Killer. Things he said that I was like.

Uly (07:50.313)
Ugh. fuck it.

Ty (08:15.636)
Nah, it couldn't be him. That don't make no damn sense. And come to find out it was said person that he assumed was an origami killer. Right? That man watched me play Heavy Rain from start to three different finishes.

Greg (08:17.366)
Ha ha ha.

Ty (08:36.082)
So excuse me for being very fucking confuddled.

Greg (08:38.266)
I don't know what okay. So I have this thing with like those kind of games where I find them more enjoyable watching other people play because it's not just I get to see how other people think and how they approach.

Ty (08:52.606)
So I was your little cuck for heavy rain.

Uly (08:55.586)
Ha ha

Greg (08:57.912)
I because I just it it's it's like it's like a it's a double it yeah, there's two levels of entertainment to it because

Ty (09:02.768)
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

Uly (09:04.343)
No, no, dude.

Greg (09:09.848)
Listen, look.

Greg (09:14.746)
And you did good. You got three endings. You did good.

Uly (09:17.933)
You did good.

Ty (09:22.386)
You should be ashamed of yourself. Cause...

Uly (09:24.056)
Ha ha

Ty (09:27.604)
What?

Greg (09:27.638)
Yeah, I you know, and that's it I don't know what to say. Like I've invested in other people playing it. Like, and you know, I there's horror games I will play that I like to play. The s story choice ones I like watching other people play for that reason. I get to see how they think, how they react under the pressure.

Ty (09:39.262)
Mm-hmm.

Uly (09:45.645)
We gotta play no, no, no, we gotta play the Dark Horse anthology games like some

Ty (09:51.495)
No, so I don't think he would like those. I legitimately don't think he would like those. And it's not because they're bad games per se. There's certain stupid shit in every anthology. And it would piss him off. And I know that.

Uly (09:54.646)
No

Uly (10:05.404)
there's a lot of stupid shit in that.

Greg (10:07.044)
Hence why I watch other people play them. Yeah. Hence why I watch other people play them.

Uly (10:10.261)
No, no, you know what? No, Greg, screw this. We're playing a way out then.

Greg (10:16.27)
Okay, a way out does pique my interest. I'll give it a shot. Like I'm not opposed to it. I'm not opposed to it. I like how this talking about I like how number ten became the topic of the conversation.

Ty (10:27.058)
No, God damn it, I need you to-

Uly (10:31.905)
No, it's because it's it's just like w what do you mean? We've talked about this. I've talked about how when we have to stay still, somehow it tracks the light pretty good. I'll move my neck to the left and I'll move just enough and the fucking monster kills me. Like, shit. I actually gotta be Yeah.

Ty (10:45.716)
And then next thing you know, you're slashed out by a Wendigo. Yeah, like we... No, you're gonna play Until Dawn and it's free. So, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. When a friend of ours played the quarry and you were giving details about the quarry, you mean to tell me you didn't play the quarry?

Uly (10:52.946)
Ha ha.

Greg (10:54.019)
I

Uly (10:56.659)
It's

Greg (10:57.154)
Yeah, it is. I I've added it to the library.

Greg (11:10.19)
No. I'm very

Uly (11:11.469)
How many times did you watch someone play it to know the details?

Greg (11:15.182)
I'm very observ. I this I tell people don't listen when I say I am very observant. Like when I watch people play games, I always see the shit they miss out of the corner of the eye. And I go in the comments and I'm like, okay, am I tripping or did anyone else see that? And there's usually like one or two other people that are like, hey, at timestamp, such and such and such, that wasn't a boot. It was a face. And I'm like, okay, I'm not tripping. I saw that. And I retain that stuff.

Ty (11:41.042)
You literally knew that the quarry was about werewolves and who the werewolf was.

Greg (11:46.479)
Yes. Yes. I I liked I I was observing. I observed. I gathered I love how this is gonna start breaking up a list of questions on all the games I've played.

Ty (11:55.829)
Let's just move on. Let's just move on. Let's just move on. I'm going to be stressed the fuck out. You're going to... No, no, no. Nope. Nope. You're going to stress me the fuck out. And yeah, we're not doing this right now because I have the mental stability of a scrambled egg. We not doing this.

Uly (11:58.328)
No yeah, I d I'm getting distracted, Jesus.

Greg (12:04.43)
Guys? Guys?

Uly (12:06.391)
Yeah, the he

Greg (12:13.986)
Listen, I'm so I don't know what to tell you guys. I don't know what to tell you guys. I didn't know that this list was gonna turn into an interrogation. I whoops.

Uly (12:21.089)
Well hold up, hold up. Th this is this is one of those things where we we will devolve, but I'm gonna I'm gonna bring it back to the list on one thing only. Ocarina of time I'm kinda disappointed because I really wanted Twilight Princess.

Greg (12:35.605)
We had this conversation.

Uly (12:37.382)
I just wanna bring it back up. I just don't want

Ty (12:37.716)
The wild life princess is never gonna be the one.

Greg (12:40.524)
I I won't say it will never because they gave us no time soon and that's what I was telling Yuli. I said it hasn't been long enough between the HD remaster.

Ty (12:43.546)
No time soon. No time soon.

Uly (12:50.421)
Listen, when I'm fifty years old and they make it into VR mode, I will be happy.

Greg (12:56.548)
Probably.

Ty (12:56.676)
you have hope like that? No, no, you're gonna be shitting a colostomy bag by the time you remake them. Right? No, no, Blue Bear. I'm gonna tell you right now, you will get a fucking remake of Breath of the Wild before you get a remake of fucking Twilight Princess. And the reason I say that fucking shit is because as amazing as Twilight Princess is, that bitch dark. And, it's in those for the kids.

Uly (13:01.876)
Ha ha ha.

Greg (13:06.01)
Yeah.

Uly (13:13.747)
Get the fuck out of

Uly (13:24.026)
It is, and that's why we allow it. No.

Greg (13:24.238)
Yeah. A lot of pe yeah, it's dark.

Ty (13:27.24)
Twilight Princess only came out the way it did because the Wii was experimental as shit hence why Mad World happened.

Greg (13:35.928)
Wait, hold on. And somebody fact checked me. What do you guys fact check me? Wind Waker was before Twilight Princess?

Uly (13:37.739)
Well two.

Ty (13:42.162)
Yes, Wind Waker was way before Twilight Princess. Wind Waker was damn near a GameCube... Yeah.

Uly (13:43.926)
Way.

Greg (13:45.164)
Okay, so Twilight Princess

Greg (13:50.393)
Launch title, right? Because I remember all the uproar on on that, and people were like super upset of how childish Wind Waker looked, and then they came to find out it was actually a really good Zelda game. So then Nintendo said, Okay, well, everyone complained about a childish Zelda game, and then they introduced Twilight Princess, which went dark, and everyone was like, Well, that escalated quickly. We didn't think you guys took what we said to heart. And

Ty (14:00.551)
It was so damn good.

Ty (14:17.832)
Yeah, bitch.

Greg (14:19.898)
Twilight Princess dropped and Twilight Princess was a phenomenal game, but it was a dark Zelda game. One of the from beginning to end, one of the darkest in the series, if not the darkest. So yeah, I don't even think because has it been 20 years since Twilight Princess?

Uly (14:39.081)
It has been twenty years since Twilight Princess. Two thousand six.

Ty (14:39.796)
It's been... it's almost been 20 years because of the exact date it has been.

Greg (14:43.044)
Two thousand six. So twenty years now. So the exact date.

Uly (14:48.203)
November nineteenth,

Greg (14:51.396)
So this year is its twenty yeah, yeah, you got like another five years, buddy.

Ty (14:51.816)
Weird Technicalli.

Uly (14:57.206)
It fucked generous.

Ty (14:57.252)
Five, y'all being generous. okay. Here, I'm gonna put it like this. When the ocarina of time come out.

Greg (15:05.39)
Nineteen ninety six?

Ty (15:10.516)
roughly 96 97 probably um

Uly (15:10.935)
The room.

Greg (15:14.682)
It was either ninety six or ninety nine. I can't remember exactly.

Ty (15:17.141)
It wasn't 99.

Uly (15:18.583)
Ninety eight.

Greg (15:19.778)
Ninety eight. So okay, ninety eight. There you go. Nineteen ninety eight. Everyone with the keyboards calm down.

Ty (15:23.348)
I about say I know it wasn't 99 because Majora's Mask was 99. Ocarina of Time has had a re-release since that time frame. Not a fucking like HD release or anything else like that, but it has. Yeah. So, Ocarina of Time being a fucking remake doesn't surprise me because Ocarina of Time is a Zelda game that people shit their undies over.

Greg (15:26.486)
Right. That's right, right. So ninety eight.

Greg (15:38.879)
It was the three D.

Greg (15:52.92)
Yeah, it took almost thirty years.

Ty (15:57.021)
Mm-hmm.

Uly (15:57.902)
So it came out in ninety-eight, two thousand three, two thousand seven, twenty eleven, twenty fifteen, and then it's cut and then it was released on Nintendo Classics in twenty twenty one and now it's getting remake in twenty twenty-seven.

Ty (16:00.233)
Have fun with the water sample, bitches.

Greg (16:03.347)
ooh.

Greg (16:12.196)
Yeah, yeah. It yeah.

Ty (16:13.054)
That is my point. I agree with Thomas the one that Nintendo will guide our way and be like, you know what? Time to hit this old dusting reliable.

Greg (16:23.726)
Yeah. Well, you know, here's I I will play devil's advocate and I will while I agree mostly with you, Ty, I will give that positive outlook on the other side. That they Yeah. And they may do a Capcom. We really thought there was gonna be a lot more years between their remakes, and there really hasn't been. So Nintendo might been building up that oc that engine for Ocarina.

Ty (16:36.54)
It's a great game. Don't get it fucked up.

Ty (16:51.924)
Greg (16:54.124)
And then if the if if the engine's stable and they are comfortable with it, then they could just roll over into Twilight Princess if they haven't started already.

Ty (17:03.3)
I will say this. We will get Majora's Mask, Skyward Sword, and fucking Wind Waker before we get Twilight Princess.

Greg (17:10.786)
Yeah.

I will you know, I will say that I can't argue that because if they're gonna go in order from the three D era. Why I'm saying from the three D era, from cause Ocarina of Time was their first full fledged three D Zelda. Then yeah, we're gonna get Majora's Mask and Wind Waker before we will get Twilight Princess. I'm sorry, you I tried to be positive. I tried to be positive, but he brought out the facts. I couldn't

Ty (17:19.418)
That ain't even an order situation.

Uly (17:35.477)
You know you burnt out the facts. I'm I'm a hold out hope, you know, I'm a I'm a hopeful person for that. If not I'll just play it on the virtual console for like the fifteenth time.

Greg (17:46.616)
Yeah. No. Also, I would love to point out how Yuli totally glazed over Final Fantasy. He skipped it. He didn't even mention it.

Uly (17:54.274)
No, no, no. Th there's a reason I skipped Final Fantasy, alright? There's a reason. I've heard enough. That's just it. Seven, the third game.

Ty (18:01.47)
Much far and fancy.

Greg (18:04.782)
Revelations.

Ty (18:05.465)
I'm looking forward to it, however.

Greg (18:10.884)
Do you think it's overstayed its welcome again?

Ty (18:13.652)
No, okay. Oh my god. So here's the thing with me and Final Fantasy 7 people, right? Because some of you, if you've watched old old podcasts of us, you've heard me bitch about 7, right? Ain't no advanced buzz about it. I am not a 7 person, right? 7 is not a bad game. 7 is actually a really good game. However, 7 for me isn't the Opus Max

Uly (18:14.965)
Yes, I d I do. Not like that.

Greg (18:41.882)
Pinnacle. Yeah.

Ty (18:42.98)
Yeah, it's not. It's not the top, right? I will put nine and six above fucking seven every day of the week twice on Sunday.

Greg (18:53.594)
Ooh, those are fighting words. Ooh, those are fighting words. I've seen people get so pissed about six. And I won't say that they're seven fans. They actually do mention other games that they prefer. And a lot of people get mad about six. Yeah.

Uly (18:56.021)
Those are fun. Those are good fine words.

Ty (19:05.042)
The issue that people have with six is the amount of characters. That's the only thing you can get me on with six, right? You you have 14 characters. True. Kefka was a motherfucking. And Kefka, pound for pound, is the greatest fucking Final Fantasy villain that we ever had in our lifetimes, right? Some people will put 10 up there, but then again, most people don't remember 10.

in its entirety well enough. They don't remember the cast of 10, but they don't actually remember the villain of 10 because they constantly... Yeah. Well, people constantly say, oh, Jack was the villain of 10. Jack was not a villain at all in 10. He's an asshole, but he wasn't the villain.

Uly (19:38.509)
I think they'll remember ten two more than ten.

Greg (19:52.132)
Tet Ten is remembered for being one of the greatest romance stories of its generation.

Ty (19:57.427)
Yes. Yes.

Greg (20:00.227)
And that's where the fondness from 10 comes from. And 10 in its own way, because we do we do give seven a lot of shit, but 10 also gets the seven treatment a lot.

Ty (20:10.162)
Yes, it does. It's the first one you heard voices. It's the first one you heard voices, right?

Uly (20:11.057)
Greg (20:15.928)
So yeah.

Ty (20:18.664)
Like I said, 10's a very good story. It's just that people truthfully don't remember who the villain is of 10. And most people, and I blame the city for this shit, associate Ject slash Sin as the villain. But Ject and Sin technically was the solution. Not gonna go into that rabbit hole.

I played the fuck out of 10. Hell, the last time I fucking reran through 10 was just what, two years ago?

Greg (20:53.518)
Yeah. I mean there's a H D version of ten on like every console. It's like Skyrim, you can't get away from it.

Ty (20:57.78)
Yes. Yeah, I love 10, but again, again, if we really want to dig into the nitty gritty, most people love seven because of it was the first 3d. They, oh my God, seven's amazing. They see first 3d big ass swords. Plural. Buster and

Greg (21:05.742)
We don't.

Greg (21:20.462)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Uly (21:21.537)
Fun fact Amazon sells Buster Swords, stainless steel Buster Swords.

Ty (21:26.184)
Yeah, of course it does.

Greg (21:28.638)
Okay, well before we go down and this becomes the Final Fantasy episode, because that could be a whole thing. moving on to the Steam wish list, data numbers. my gosh.

Uly (21:34.123)
That's

Uly (21:39.685)
yeah.

Yes, those numbers are you know what, I'm not surprised about number one.

Greg (21:49.246)
I kinda was

Uly (21:52.179)
I was

Ty (21:53.052)
Why? I want to hear why.

Greg (21:56.053)
mainly because we know we know that Code Veronica did not get the love it deserved originally.

Ty (22:06.676)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Greg (22:08.625)
And

Greg (22:12.418)
I guess I w I I don't know. I just thought like I thought it would be top five for sure. I didn't think it was gonna take number one. I thought maybe like number two.

Ty (22:17.288)
Mm-hmm.

Uly (22:20.353)
No, I'm sorry.

Ty (22:20.358)
You want me to dive into why I think it went number one?

Uly (22:24.308)
I need easy.

Greg (22:24.441)
Yeah.

Ty (22:26.534)
It's actually real simple, but a lot of people are gonna be like, you fucking liar. A lot of people didn't pay attention to it when it went to the PS2. Most people assume Co-Veronica is Dreamcast, or they didn't hear about Co-Veronica whatsoever, and their ventures went one, two, three, shit, Leon and Four, right? Co-Veronica is a very weird entry that is...

Greg (22:30.916)
'Cause they made it more of mainline.

Greg (22:49.679)
Mm-hmm.

Ty (22:54.834)
Like I said last week, super fucking important and people don't know how to react to that. So now being able to visually see Veronica in its entirety, right? And I do think they're going to change two very important plot lines of the Co-Veronica storyline, right? Let me chew grass resin. It's a chance to play that game that people

genuinely have not much information about. They don't know and they don't understand. Like they really are like, shit, this is where Wesker got all this shit from. Or, shit, this is when Chris really started working towards BSA, well BSAA instead of Raccoon City shit. Right? This was that shift from

It's an isolated incident, aka Raccoon City, to...

Greg (24:00.845)
When it started becoming a global

Ty (24:03.38)
Exactly. So people have been curious because let's be real here.

Greg (24:05.667)
Yeah.

Ty (24:14.076)
Resident Evil 4, God, don't get your pitchforks out for this. Resident Evil 4 could have been called anything else in the world. Could have been its own separate, secluded fucking storyline, had a brand new main character, everything else like that, and it still would have been treated almost the exact same way, right? It could have been its own isolated game and no one would have given fuck either way. It still would have just been labeled as a good ass game, right? Because...

In Evil 4, there's no T-Virus, no G-Virus, none of that shit. It's his own little separate fucking entity of a virus, right? In 4 and technically in 5.

Greg (24:55.14)
Mm.

Greg (24:58.744)
Well, you know, I always thought the reason that Resident Evil 4 became Resident Evil 4 was mainly due to the fact that at this point we already had Code Veronica and Capcom saw their sales numbers go down. And they were like, okay, so what was the hiccup? Why weren't people playing? And you already listed some of them. And then one of the main ones is the fact that people didn't see a numerical number. At we were of that generation where if it didn't have a number, I can skip it. It's not that important.

Ty (25:12.722)
Mm-hmm.

Ty (25:22.857)
Mm-hmm.

Greg (25:28.534)
And since the direction of Resident Evil 4 was being changed, Capcom didn't want their hard work to not pay off. So they basically were like, okay, well, we know people like Leon. And even though this story is not going to tie into the Raccoon City storyline, we need this game to sell because it's new mechanics, it's a new story. How do we make this game sell? Screw it. We'll call it Resident Evil Four. That'll bring the people in. And they were right. It brought

Ty (25:57.245)
Yeah.

Greg (25:58.177)
It brought the people in because it had a numerical value. So as far as people were concerned, this is part of the main storyline. snap, it's an action-oriented. You know what? Fuck it. Take my money. I like Leon. I get to kick zombies, zombies, out a window. And then we and we and we wound up with Resident Evil 4.

Ty (26:15.86)
I can't say what I want to say.

Ty (26:22.792)
Yeah. And that's part of my point though. Devil May Cry 1 felt more like a Resident Evil game than Resident Evil 4. Again, push your pitchforks now. Because before people started fucking tripping, Devil May Cry, the first game, technically was a tech demo.

Well, it was originally the skeletal demo of a brand new Resident Evil game. And then they scrapped it, made Devil May Cry, and then they reworked Resident Evil 4.

Greg (26:59.012)
Yep. Cause technically Resident Evil Four and Cove Veronica should have been switched around. And I think the problem was how close Cove Veronica was on the tail end of two, and they already had three. And they're like, crap, this takes place like literally a f like two months after two.

Ty (27:22.0)
Yeah, it is not long after, because she's... No, she immediately went searching for Chris.

Greg (27:24.43)
Yeah, Claire didn't get a break.

Greg (27:29.07)
Yeah. So and they already had three out there and they were like, okay, well, they they screwed themselves by putting three out when they did.

Ty (27:39.7)
Cause three came out 98 or 99. One of them too.

Greg (27:45.359)
Yeah. So yeah, the timeline of the releases probably screwed them over. And then they couldn't go, well, we can't call this Resident Evil Coveronica two point five. So yeah, it wound up being its own thing. And I'm sure there's a whole lot of industry behind the scenes stuff that happened with you know, whoever it was working on it and timetables and all that. I'm sure there's a lot of stuff that happened behind the scenes with it, but yeah.

Ty (27:55.493)
No. 99.

Greg (28:14.786)
I'm glad that it's getting what it's always been due. And now the story will be more cohesive to a lot of people. Cause I know with the remakes, a lot of people are this is their first time diving into Resident Evil. You know, they they either weren't born when the originals came out or they skipped them when they did come out and they're playing the remakes and now they get the full cohesive story as intended, with the exception of the first one, because they haven't remade the first one yet.

Uly (28:46.887)
Mm, technically.

Uly (28:51.244)
Yay.

Greg (28:51.426)
I use the word remade very loosely.

Ty (28:51.452)
Let's put, let's put, let's be real here. They have, granted, they just haven't since the Gamecube. And people are all upset at you about that.

Greg (28:58.616)
They have

Yeah.

Greg (29:05.966)
Yeah. Which I'm like, hey, you know, just just follow your formula, Capcom, and eventually they I think they're they're probably gonna try to finish out the current story and then they'll be like, Okay, let's go back to the beginning and seal the deal, package it up, and they wanna get people slowly away from the Leon Chris era, because they're finally aging them up like

visibly aging them up and trying to age them out. And I think they're going to start setting us up for the new characters that they've been bringing in.

Uly (29:44.128)
I'm not sure they're aging out of Leon because have you seen the internet when what was it? Requiem came out and all the posts about Leon. Yeah, they're not gonna age out they can make him an old geriatric dude and people will still find a way to Yeah. No the wheelchair's gonna be Porsche too.

Greg (29:54.106)
Yeah. Yeah.

Greg (29:59.141)
You'll be in a wheelchair still doing somersaults and like bam. It's gonna be a Porsche wheelchair.

Ty (30:07.156)
Anyway, anyway, go dark into this. No, but I'll say this. I think the last remake we will get is Veronica.

Uly (30:10.099)
Yeah.

Greg (30:12.797)
Yeah.

Uly (30:21.548)
Really?

Ty (30:22.674)
I do, cause alright, though 5 has been, I don't think 5 will get a If 5 gets a remake, I'd be kinda surprised cause 5, technically, has been on a somewhat modern era.

Uly (30:25.473)
You don't think zero or five?

Greg (30:27.46)
Five?

Uly (30:41.389)
I feel like at five two thousand nine. Yeah.

Ty (30:41.869)
I came out deeper into the PS3's lifetime.

Greg (30:47.47)
The well I'm on you know, I the reason I think they're gonna do five is because five did have a very critical DLC that came out.

Uly (30:56.599)
It also had a very critical scene where you punch a boulder.

Ty (30:56.946)
The Europe point. The lost files. Or no, not lost files. What were you all? It's the one where they're in Europe. It's where Jill disappears.

Greg (30:59.257)
Yeah.

Greg (31:04.122)
Yeah.

Uly (31:06.637)
fuck.

Greg (31:09.336)
Yeah, and they basically explain that that whole thing. I think you were right. I think it was the law the lost something. Lost the nightmare. Yeah. while it was leaned too hard into writing the coattails of what Resident Evil 4 succeeded in, when you take out Chris Punch in a boulder and

Uly (31:15.766)
Lost in nightmares.

Ty (31:17.32)
That's what it was.

Uly (31:33.665)
No, leave that in.

Greg (31:34.906)
I mean I don't mean like take it out, but I mean like when you just ignore the fact that Chris Boulder Smasher was in there punching boulders, it wasn't a bad game. It was actually a fun game.

Uly (31:48.942)
I think that was a fun game. The only part that really annoyed me of that one was that whoever you played as, the other character would keep yelling at you, over here! Where are you? Over here, where are you?

Greg (31:57.509)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Ty (31:59.135)
Yeah. And they tried to fix that in six and then people hated six because it became too action oriented.

Greg (32:05.154)
Yeah. six is the one I don't see them remaking.

Ty (32:10.47)
And that's the funny thing, bro. One of the reasons I hate fucking Resident Evil fans. Six ended up developing a cult classic years after it was released, right? People hated Six when it first came out. And then people were like, Six is kind of tough. Six is actually pretty nice.

And then they realized Six was actually a really fucking good game, except for the fact that it was action-oriented. And the only reason it was action-oriented is because everybody played fucking Chris's part first.

Greg (32:39.918)
It was the the action oriented RE.

Greg (32:46.744)
Yes. People didn't people didn't see Capcom's pattern that they did in six, what they've done with the Devil May Cry games. They didn't tell you the order, but there's a specific order for the stories you're supposed to play it in.

Ty (33:00.424)
Leon, you play Leon to, to the president incident. Then you play Jake to the first Euro. I can't think of his fucking name fight. Then you play Chris and then it pretty much rotates in a circular order to right when you get in Hong Kong and essentially it's

Greg (33:03.908)
to like a certain I forget what point. Yeah.

Greg (33:16.269)
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that big

Ty (33:30.11)
Fuck all. Too.

you split up in Hong Kong again and then it is a very specific order you have to play it in because if you play it out of that order things get spoiled for the other storylines but it doesn't make sense how it gets spoiled. Granted the game came out 14 years ago or some shit like that but

Greg (33:36.474)
Mm.

Greg (33:49.166)
Yeah. Yeah, cat.

Ty (33:57.939)
Like everyone went and played Chris first and they're like, my God, this is Call of Duty. Bro, play Leon first. I promise you won't say that shit.

Greg (33:58.188)
And yeah.

Ty (34:07.572)
Because Leon's shit was straight up nightmare in that college campus.

Greg (34:07.758)
Yeah.

Greg (34:13.262)
Yeah, so according to the Steam community, and I guess people that have been playing it, the order is incident on Tall Oaks, China, Leon Chapter One to Chapter Three. Then you start with Chris Chapter One, Flashback in Adonia, Chris Chapter Two, then Jake Chapter One to Jake Chapter Two, then it's the story intersections, Jake Chapter Three, then you go to Chris Chapter Three, Jake Chapter Four, Chris Chapter Four, Leon Chapter Four.

Leon chapter five, then you do Ada, all of Ada up until four, and then you end it with Jake first, then Chris, then Ada.

Ty (34:54.888)
You mean them Leon?

Greg (34:56.718)
No, apparently you end Leon in the story intersection. So you wrap his up for which no, that makes sense because his story does end pretty quickly because his story ends with Yeah. Yeah. Ada's would end after his.

Ty (35:01.106)
Mmm.

Ty (35:09.68)
yeah!

Greg (35:17.604)
So yeah. Good job, Capcom.

Uly (35:20.491)
Y'all wrote that down? 'Cause I didn't.

Greg (35:23.406)
Wait, what? Did you did you did you not take notes?

Uly (35:27.489)
I did not take notes, you know, I I just drew penises on this paper.

Ty (35:32.65)
my

Greg (35:34.092)
Okay, so before we run out of time on this episode, moving on to our next segment.

Uly (35:39.053)
Don't know why.

Ty (35:41.618)
Rabbit holes.

Greg (35:44.475)
All right. Four hundred million dollars and only an Xbox exclusive Gears of War E Day, which tell tell me tell me tell me the tell me the lie. Tell me the lie. Lie to me.

Ty (35:55.348)
Truth or a lie, which one you want?

Ty (36:02.706)
That game will make us 400,000 copies in its first month. 400 million copies in this first month. That is a lie. That is the lie. I will tell you, right? Cause the only way I can foresee it doing that is if it launches on game pass and if it. Hmm. Yep. And the only way I'll see it actually doing that in its entirety is everybody day one logs into that game on game pass. However,

Greg (36:06.042)
four hundred thousand copies of four hundred million.

Uly (36:06.613)
I heard thousand.

Uly (36:19.445)
No, it's on Game Pass. Day one.

Greg (36:21.561)
Day one.

Ty (36:32.08)
truth be told, it being our game pass is the biggest fuck you that of a payday that it'll ever have. And I don't know if you read that article that I sent you after we said everything, that's kind of proof of that.

Uly (36:38.687)
yeah.

Greg (36:45.178)
Mm.

Yeah.

Ty (36:49.682)
But we're not going to touch on that. Sorry, people. That's a topic for another day. But it is a very big topic for another day. And we don't have enough time to go into that.

Greg (36:53.708)
Yeah. Yeah, we'll we'll go to that later.

Greg (37:00.024)
Yep. I you know what I can't even play devil's advocate on this one. While I like that Xbox is trying to recover

Ty (37:13.83)
or 100 million is a large fucking number.

Greg (37:17.71)
That's a large number.

Uly (37:18.941)
It's a large number and to hit that while it being on Game Pass it's gonna be difficult. nearly impossible.

Greg (37:25.658)
That

Ty (37:26.217)
Yeah.

I won't say nearly impossible, but...

Greg (37:31.458)
That's like GTA six.

Ty (37:34.277)
Not, not even that. The problem with the number is most people, when they think of numbers, their immediate place they go to is first to second quarter numbers, not lifetime numbers, right? Unless there's a console. Consoles go into lifetime numbers. That's a whole fucking thing with that. Hence why we have different consoles announcing, hey, we're the highest grossing console of this time frame and blah, blah.

Uly (37:35.959)
No, not even G

Ty (38:04.072)
Games don't really work like that, right? Because most games and slash most gamers are very niche in their game style and gameplay antics, right? So usually people will buy the game when it is fresh. don't like to go, most people don't like to go back and purchase games of that caliber later down the road, right?

Greg (38:20.281)
Yeah.

Ty (38:31.056)
Sometimes they will, right? Usually Christmas time frame is when that happens really well. But for the most part, that first quarter will tell you how well that game is going to sell.

Greg (38:44.42)
So, just for people to know, for some context here, we got some numbers for you. So, another exclusive. Marvel Spider-Man cost a reported 300 million and needed to sell 7.2 million copies at full price to break even. The best selling Gears game ever, Gears of War II from 2008. Now I know people are going to talk inflation and try to get into the economics of all of it. Sold six.

Ty (39:11.699)
Don't.

Uly (39:13.441)
Do it.

Greg (39:14.212)
point seven five million copies total. Period. And they had a lot more hardware in homes than they do now.

So

I don't know. If they it took 7.2 million for Spider-Man to break even, which is in current game pricing, Spider-Man 2 to break even at a 300 million budget, and their best-selling Gears of War only sold 6.75 million copies total ever.

Ty (39:51.495)
And this isn't like, again, I'm glad you brought up total because this isn't like, hey, yeah, it sold in that first year. Fuck no. This is through its lifetime, including every time it went on resale.

Greg (40:01.954)
Total.

Greg (40:08.634)
Yeah.

Ty (40:10.356)
Right? for all you to understand is when it released on 360, when it released on the Xbox One, when it released on the Series X.

in some way, shape, form, or capacity or series S, whichever one it released on,

Greg (40:28.932)
Yeah.

Greg (40:34.562)
And they bundled it when it came to the Xbox One with Gears of War Four.

Ty (40:40.936)
That is a high number.

Ty (40:47.666)
But if you're expecting your game that you are already slated, it's going to go on to your fucking subscription service to where your subscription service doesn't pay out the cost of that game long term till however many logins and hours played or however many subs per

Greg (40:55.918)
Your game pass, yeah. Yeah.

Ty (41:16.572)
people playing that game, right?

It's gonna be a long road. I hope I'm I hope I'm However, I don't feel like I'm gonna be wrong on this.

Greg (41:23.435)
And they yeah.

Greg (41:30.04)
And I get that they're trying to bring back to their gamers the exclusives, but they shouldn't have scrubbed the PS5 community out of this one. They should have waited until after this game came out to start doing their exclusives again. Because that's that's gonna hurt in the long run, especially since there was already a logo in the early e-day trailer. they pretty much it pretty much gave the middle finger to the to the PlayStation community.

And yeah, I don't see them making that money back. And they just lowered the price of of Game Pass. So

Ty (42:08.488)
Whoa, whoa, whoa, I'm not mad about the lower end price of game pads.

Greg (42:10.954)
No, I'm not mad about it, but I'm just saying like the money was already stretched in as is at the price it was. So they lowered the the price. That money's gonna be stretched even further. And you don't you can't expect your community to suddenly like I'm not saying there won't be Xbox players that go out and buy the game. Of course, there's gonna be players, but it's not gonna be 400 million worth.

of players that buy. Most of the people in the Xbox ecosystem are in the Xbox ecosystem because they don't have to buy the games that they're currently playing.

So

It's a that was a wild choice. And I'm like, look, I get it. You're trying to sell your consoles, but now you're in a hardware crisis. They're afraid there's not going to be enough consoles to go around, not because there's a high super demand for it, but because the parts are getting ridiculously expensive. So that's gonna hurt. And Microsoft is looking at separating Xbox into its own thing.

Ty (42:59.827)
Mm-hmm.

Ty (43:09.117)
Yeah.

Ty (43:15.732)
You had to go there.

Greg (43:18.042)
I just want to put that out there for a quick thought. You guys do with that little bit of information. That's a conversation, but you know what?

Uly (43:19.926)
Yeah, I'm bringing

Ty (43:24.146)
That is not a quick thought. my God.

Uly (43:26.699)
That is a conversation.

Ty (43:30.228)
So in case anybody was wondering, that was the thing I wasn't gonna mention that the article wasn't. So yeah, you curious takes, yeah, Microsoft is kinda done with Xbox. Maybe, still a maybe, but, and again, deep dark abyss and you don't want no parts of that shit, so.

Greg (43:37.626)
You're welcome, people. You're welcome.

Uly (43:40.213)
Mm-hmm.

Greg (43:49.05)
Mm-hmm.

Ty (43:59.891)
Good luck. It sucks to suck. And hope it doesn't happen because if it does happen, they will sell that company faster than you could say 10 bucks too.

Greg (44:00.635)
Yeah. It's

Greg (44:07.063)
boy.

Greg (44:11.032)
Yep. And they still hold about five percent of the gaming industry as a whole. So that'll get really messy. Really messy. But we're gonna pull out of that topic. Probably save that for the Patreon podcast, because that is there's a lot to unpack with that one.

Uly (44:27.041)
Do there's a lot?

Ty (44:27.233)
Juicing the Tilly Loo ink?

Greg (44:30.094)
But yeah, there a summer showcase. We had a lot of game announcements, a lot of indie announcements, a lot of DLC announcements. Personally, I'm super excited for a lot of the titles coming in. Even an online game, Gil Guild Wars 3. That was a nice surprise for me personally. That does have a near and dear place in my heart. As an RE fan, obviously I'm happy. As a Nintendo fan, surprisingly happy.

And as a PlayStation fan, I'm happy. I think honestly, I think everyone walked away with a win in some way for from these showcases.

Uly (45:07.101)
I I told Ty this. This year the announcements have been so great that the next three years are gonna suck.

Greg (45:15.65)
Not next year. Twenty twenty eight might suck.

Ty (45:22.548)
say what I said in private to somebody. I said we are due for a gaming wall of 2023 all over again. We're due for that law. We probably need that law because because 24 to 27 has been disgustingly heat.

Greg (45:32.687)
Yeah.

Greg (45:36.282)
The wallets need that law.

Ty (45:50.921)
just straight up built to add some goodness.

Greg (45:55.362)
Mm-hmm.

Uly (45:55.558)
Every every season had three to four great games.

Greg (46:01.433)
it. And I gotta say, it didn't matter what genre you played, there was something for you.

Ty (46:07.196)
Yeah, quite literally the biggest disappointment in games for fucking recent history in my case was Tekken 8 doing some of its astronomical fuck shit. But other than that, like I said, we're due for that low because this shit getting out of hand for my wallet.

Greg (46:23.71)
Greg (46:33.338)
The wallets are screaming try. I get it. I get it.

Ty (46:37.33)
When my goddamn hit- I mean, not hit list, Jesus, that almost came out wrong. When my goddamn wish list has over 2k worth of games on it, that might be a problem.

Greg (46:41.198)
Wow.

Uly (46:52.301)
Ty just looks over to his wife. We gotta sell the kid.

Greg (46:56.409)
Boy

Ty (46:57.7)
What? Hell nah. You know what, shoot, actually I won't say that here. I'll tell y'all when we get off of this because it is a little too much information that I don't feel like sharing with some people.

Greg (47:12.056)
Well yeah.

Ty (47:13.618)
Nothing bad, nothing bad. No, I'm not infected.

Greg (47:17.892)
Ha ha ha.

Ty (47:20.84)
Never. Never.

Greg (47:23.866)
All right, well, on that note, before we get out of here, quick heads up for the G Z family. Next month we're celebrating eight years of the Chop Shop and we're doing it right. July 18th is the anniversary, and we've got a giveaway coming, and we've partnered with G Fuel for it. More details dropping in the upcoming newsletter. If you're not subscribed to the Press Play Gaming Newsletter,

Ty (47:25.108)
Clean penis.

Uly (47:28.734)
I got a story to tell you guys later too. Holy shit.

Ty (47:45.512)
Yay!

Greg (47:53.518)
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Signing off.